Schiuma di Mondi, Foam of Worlds

Anna Marziano

Italy, Germany, 2026, Color, 80’

World Premiere

Antonia is sitting in the dark in her living room. A close-up of her somber face replaces the images of the film she is watching: Rosselini’s Europe 51, which we recognise by its dialogues. Thus emerges a connection between the young woman and Ingrid Bergman, who plays a mother seeking justice in post-war Italy. What kind of society are we passing on to our children when the future seems confiscated? Foam of Worlds is the magnificent portrait of a woman. It is through her engagement with the world that the film shows the possibility of a different relationship with the people around us. Through meticulous editing, Anna Marziano interconnects various scales and undertakes what Peter Sloterdijk calls “the tight proximity between fragile units”, by bringing together both images and fragments of reality – flowers, gestures, spaces, faces, ideas. Foam of worlds is a cinematic ecosystem in its own right: by capturing the bliss of a shared meal, by slipping a word into an image, by creating resonances, by framing the cracks and the insignificant – light passing through a glass – and by connecting all that to the higher stakes that legal experts and international criminal courts deal with. Thus, Anna Marziano creates an economy of attention and connection that succeeds in embracing the increasing vulnerability of lives. Antonia is a mother. Here, taking care of her child equals taking care of the world as a whole. While we get to observe in a single process of learning and transmitting the spontaneous joys and curiosity of childhood, tragic news from the global political scene seeps in like water. In a Venice threatened by rising waters, climate emergency clashes with the slowness of the internal transformations necessary for a genuine paradigm shift. With foam-like delicacy and alveolar complexity, Foam of Worlds instills ever so gently the most unyielding form of determination.

Claire Lasolle

Interview

Anna Marziano

You capture the daily life of a woman, Antonia, as she balances the fight for climate justice with caring for her daughter Lena in Venice. Where did Foam of Worlds come from? Can you tell us about the origins of the project?

In the beginning, three characters inhabited my mind: a mother, a daughter and the bodies of water that surround them. Until a few years ago, I rejected the idea of working with characters, until these figures appeared and I got hooked by the possibility of making an essay-film with them. From the very beginning, the mother and the child were bonded each one to a different perspective: Antonia tries to rationalise what went wrong in the process of modernisation, while Lena tries to feel part of everything that surrounds her in a materialistic-animistic way. Whilst water appears in the film through the canals, the rivers carrying sweet water to the lagoon, the rising sea, the rain drops, the mold, the little floods: from stagnant water we arrive to movement, water and people moving, in the end scene.

Alongside the parenthood and the kinships, I intended to explore the feeling of helplessness that is countered by Antonia’s growing engagement in climate justice. I often find myself despairing at how human beings fail to take preventative actions. Twelve days of the Iran war claimed 8.000 to 10.000 lives. And scientists calculated those attacks produced 5 million tonnes of carbon dioxide equivalent, like one year of Island emissions. Confronted with global tensions, Europe steps back on environmental agreements, while predictable heat waves increase. 

In this film, driven by her restlessness, Antonia is compelled to transform the prescriptive nature of law into a journey of setting in motion. In Schiuma di mondi, case-law becomes a membrane that connects social sensibilities and organisations thanks to a ceaseless process on a case-by-case basis. So, I chose not to step inside court buildings – often exploited rhetorically in cinema productions – and I rather focused on the legal cause preparation. 

Partly due to the great difficulties of producing this film, the shooting was scattered over several months. In that period, institutions such as the International Criminal Court struggled to enforce warrants. It suddenly became clear to me that those radiophonic news had to be part of the film, as they could well convey the clash between Antonia’s daily efforts of care and her heavy sense of impotence. In these years of conflicts and uncertainties, I believe we need to explore and to devote ourselves to a constructive dimension: even in the arts, satirical provocations are of little consequence and they don’t par up to the pain of others. We need films that can be brutal gestures of solidarity, free of rhetoric. I pin my hopes on films where thinking can help us feel and where emotions can help us think about our conditions.

How did you work with the two protagonists? Did you know them before the film? How did the shoot go?

The choice of the protagonists came smoothly and it was just a matter of fact: Laura Fantacuzzi (Antonia) is a talented established photographer and a dearest friend of mine who generously jumped on board in this adventure. Alea (Lena) appears in almost each film I’ve made since she was born, therefore I spontaneously asked if she wished to play. As the two main protagonists knew themselves very well, I thought our filming sessions would not have felt forced. The shooting time was really minimal compared to the time the three of us have spent together in our lives. The fictional mode helped us in choosing carefully when we wanted to play that game together and when not, enabling us to step out from the constant self-performance and self-staging pushed by society and by social media. Our shooting was a gifted time when there could be a space of playfulness, expression and freedom. Involving some children in the shooting, I intended to follow them with full openness, even when their needs were organisationally counterproductive. I intended to be true towards the microscopic gestures and moments that can hardly happen on a “stiff” organised set. The shooting was split over several months and that helped not to become too prominent on the children’s life. It’s fascinating to observe how deeply a film process is made up by the influences of each person involved in it.

Antonia reads Puissance de la douceur (Power of Gentleness) by Anne Dufourmantelle. How did this book play a role in the conception and writing of the film? How do you translate this concept of gentleness into images?

This book came into the film life quite late as we included its reading in the last shooting session. I wanted to point out how the sweetness expressed throughout the entire film is not a sugarcoated emotion nor a childish one. It is an active posture. Anne Dufourmantelle’s text unites strength and subtlety in expressing how sweetness can bond us to our “dynamis” and how it may reveal power-imbalances. I hope this approach can shine through the sensorial constitution of the film imaging. We worked with low contrast and we tried to protect the continuity between outer and inner spaces, such as the lagoon atmosphere and the protagonists’ moods. Until the 16mm filmstock breaks in – wild and raw as some periods can be. A different scent of life.  

Through editing (among other things), you connect different levels of reality, notably the world of adults and the world of childhood. Thus, the act of creating a drawing seems to be of the same nature as the struggle to define the status of a victim. How and at what point did you work on the editing? 

For Schiuma di mondi I felt like waiting for the editing until I had collected all I could gather. Once I surrendered to the fact the shooting had to end, the editing process unfolded very rapidly and the material matched quickly on its own. The process had grown slowly and the time was ripe: for 5 years I drafted the film in a treatment, going back and forth in between scouting, writing, filming and going back to the writing. So the editing felt like a joyful concentrated flow where I could follow the will of the audiovisual material and I was allowed for a moment to retire in a safe refuge made of rhythms and internal relationships of sounds and images.

From news flashes to technical legal discussions and Antonia’s personal correspondence, you have a very distinctive way of circulating dialogue within the film. Can you tell us how you approached this aspect?

I love the blurred space created by non-synch sound where the real and the imaginary merge, yet I needed sync sound on the dialogues not to reduce the immediacy and the emotional transport. This is how I came up working with several listening shots and also with some correspondence. I wish things could happen in a film “in between” the characters, “in between” the rooms, going beyond a plain representative dimension, innerly activating the public. I ruled out the diary form because women in the past were often confined to keeping diaries, whilst I don’t mind topics at all: I appreciate precision in some specific subjects. Poetry can be made up of concrete elements, technical details, object lists, as well as dialogues and gestures. Furthermore, in order to delve into the preparation of a legal case, it was necessary to clearly express the lawyers’ logical steps: from the idea of climate crisis victims to the possibility of collective action. 

How did you conceive the sound design and its role in Foam of Worlds?

Sometimes we composed interior and exterior spaces in continuity so that sounds would not follow spaces slavishly. The sound dimension was very helpful in conveying the child’s universe and we used toys such as a wooden music tree or a sandbox percussion to bridge the real and the imaginary dimensions. Sometimes we used hard cuts instead for rhythmic needs or for expressing a clash with reality. The form of the collage is prominent in my way of working, both for sounds and images. Even music comes in and out in this film like a collage scrap. And whenever I incorporate a musical experience into a scene, I tend to take weight off the images. For example, when Antonia lies on the sofa, Rafael Toral’s music is in charge of expressing this woman in her moment of being and in the act of thinking. In that moment, we can fully immerse ourselves in the sound experience, lending our ears to the listening of far ancient ages and far future ages that are yet to come.

Interviewed by Claire Lasolle

Technical sheet

  • Script:
    Anna Marziano
  • Photography:
    Anna Marziano, Armin Dierolf
  • Editing:
    Anna Marziano
  • Music:
    Rafael Toral
  • Sound:
    Anna Marziano
  • Cast:
    Michele Carducci, Carlo Giupponi, Sonia Sommacal, Angela Maria Bitonti, Laura Fantacuzzi, Alea Lori Marziano
  • Production :
    Anna Marziano (Anna Marziano), Zsuzsanna Kiràly (Flaneur Films), Manuela Buono: associate producer and international sales (Slingshot Films)
  • Contact :
    Anna Marziano